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stone / stoned / stoner

Post by Ken Greenwald » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:08 am

<2013 “The Justice Department’s decision is ‘the first profound crack in the federal edifice of drug prohibition since President Nixon declared war on drugs in 1971,’ and may accelerate the decisions of the six other states that are moving toward referendums on legalizing weed: Arizona, California, Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, and Nevada. ‘It is without doubt good news for the stoner set,’. . .”—The Week, 13 September, page 21>
Some etymologies are less exciting than others, but we don’t know that until we find them:

CASSELL’S DICTIONARY OF SLANG

STONE verb [1940s and still in use]: 1) (drugs) (also stone up) To render intoxicated with a drug, usually marijuana or hashish. 2) In figurative use, to create the same effect without drugs. [the image of being knocked over by a rock] [[And that’s it – the thrilling derivation! (>:)]]

STONED: (out) adjective) [1950s and still in use]: 1) Drunk. 2) intoxicated with some form of drug; thus stoned out of one’s brain/gourd/head/mind/skull, very intoxicated on drink or, more usually, drugs.

STONER noun 1) [1970s and still in use] A drug user, specifically of marijuana. 2) [1990s and still in use] (U.S. teen) A delinquent [stoned (out), see adjective (2)]
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OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY

9) STONE verb

a) [1952]: To become intoxicated with drink or drugs (with out, to the point of unconsciousness).

b) Transitive: To render intoxicated or (figurative) ecstatic. Also reflexive Chiefly as (participle) a. slang (originally U.S.).

7) STONED adjective

a) [1952]: Drunk, extremely intoxicated. Frequently with on. Chiefly predicate, especially in phrase to get stoned (originally U.S.).

b) [1953]: In a state of drug-induced euphoria, ‘high’; also, incapacitated or stimulated by drugs, drugged (originally U.S.).

[[I don’t recall ever hearing ‘stone/stoned’ being used in reference to drunkenness, even in the old days. But, that shows what I know.]]

STONER noun (slang) [1971]: A habitual drug user, especially a heavy marijuana user; (hence) a person with a lifestyle considered typical of a heavy marijuana user, characterized as aimless or indolent (originally U.S.).
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Seems odd, but I don’t ever remember hearing ‘stone/stoned’ being used in reference to drunkenness, even in the old days.

The following quotes are from the Oxford English Dictionary and archived sources:
<1952 “Like boiled snails, bop jokes certainly are not everybody's dish, but those who acquire the taste for them feel cool, gone, crazy and stoned.”—Life Magazine, 29 September, page 67/2> [[drunk]]

<1956 “You're an H-man . . . . and we know you copped three decks a little while back. Are you stoned now, or can you read me?”—Cop Hater (1958) by E. McBain, ix. page 85> [[drugs]]

<1961 “Planned to stone himself with vodka.”—Webster’s 3rd International Dictionary of the English Language (at cited word), Truman Capote>

<1969 “We are, by any definition, stoned on liberty, smashed by self-fulfilment; the real need now is for silence and what used to be called classical restraint—and irony.”—The Listener (BBC London), 17 July, page 88/3> [[used figuratively]]

<1971 “They're all lying around in there wearing beads and stoned out of their skulls on French Blues [[amphetamines]].”—Dolly and the Doctor Bird by D. Halliday, x. page 129>

<1979 “They were careless. Stoners usually are.”—Castles in Fire (1983) by A. Lyons, page 179>

<1991 “. . . and by William Hurt and Keanu Reeves as the stoned hit men . . .”—Boston Globe (Massachusetts), 6 April>

< 2003 “ My boyfriend is a real stoner and it's driving me mad. He just wants to stay in and get stoned with his friends and when we do go out he's so dopey, it's pointless.”—Company Magazine (U.K), June, page 178/2>

<2013 . . . stoner-comedy duo Cheech and Chong will yuk it up on Oct. 24.”—Washington Post (D.C.), 4 September> [[I’ll never forget Up in Smoke, their hilarious, weed-fueled, 1978 movie.]]
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Post by Bobinwales » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:51 am

Even in the 60s we only used stoned for illicit drug use. Too much alcohol, you were pissed!

I was rather concerned with Ken's quote though... "the first profound crack in the federal edifice of drug prohibition". You shouldn't be finding it there!
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Post by Phil White » Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:37 am

Insofar as I remember the late 70s at all, I think I remember that "stoned" was used for "drunk" at least among those of us who were too law-abiding or wimpish to try anything else.
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Post by trolley » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:26 pm

I remember my Dad using the terms "stoned" and "high", meaning drunk. I never heard anyone from my generation use them that way.
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Post by Ken Greenwald » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:40 am

aaa
As I mentioned above, I was unaware that ‘stoned’ ever meant drunk. In my list of quotes, there is only one (the 1961 quote) that unambiguously connects alcohol with ‘stoned.’ By happenstance I just came across another example that makes that connection. The story is placed in Florida in the early 1960s.
<2013 “Some day when there is some kind of an end to the story, amigo, some day when your stomach can take the booze, we will sit around and get stoned . . .”—A Deadly Shade of Gold (1965) by John D. Macdonald, page 99>
So where was I in the early 1960s? I was getting stoned on alcohol, only I didn’t know it. (>:)
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