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Post Why a "lid"
Posted on: Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:04 am

A "lid" of marijuana is a one-ounce portion, according to the Urban Dictionary.

But why a "lid"?

How did "lid" get to be a unit of measure, and is it a measure of anything other than marijuana?

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Post Re: Why a "lid"
Posted on: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:01 am

It is also a standardized measure of a soldier's cranial capacity.

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Post Re: Why a "lid"
Posted on: Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:35 am

I'm not sure where the term lid came from, but I'm surprised to see that most info on the web indicates that a lid was an ounce. In the late sixties, on the west coast of Canada they were two different measurements. An ounce (OhZee) was 20 bucks and weighed 28 grams. A "lid" was was 15 bucks and weighed 20 grams. A that time, most of the pot was coming from Mexico and was in metric units. A kilo (key) could be broken down into 50 lids. Nice easy math. Most of our Mexican pot was coming up through the States and at some point (around 1970) we started getting it by the pound rather than by the kilo. I think the shipments were being converted by the American dealers because pounds and ounces were something that the average US/Canadian consumer could understand better. By about 1975 the "lid" was unknown and you just had ounces, halves (dime bags), and quarters (nickel bags). Of course, this is all just stuff that I heard, man.


 
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Post Re: Why a "lid"
Posted on: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:34 pm

Quote:
Comin' into Los Angeles
Bringin' in a couple o' keys
Don't touch my bags, if you please,
Mister Customs Man . . .
-- Arlo Guthrie

Yeah, y'know -- I never thought a lid was an ounce, either. It was definitely smaller than an ounce. Can't really remember what a lid cost where I lived. I never bought the stuff, y'understand!
Isn't it called a lid because it's how much pot would fit in an average large mayonnaise jar lid?

Ok, I did a little google on this topic, and did not turn up very much. Disappointing to see that many dictionaries define a “lid” as an ounce of marijuana. I really don’t think that is true. The following are not very authoritative, but maybe there's a bud of truth in them:

From WikiAnswers --
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The term 'lid' of marijuana goes back to the 60's. Back then you could buy a 'lid' or a 'can' of pot. The can was aproximatley [sic] 1 oz, the lid was1/8 oz. The term came from the practice of breaking up a brick (a kilo or later a key) of tightly packed marjijuana and storing and selling it in Price Albert tobacco cans. A can held aproximatley [sic] one ounce. the lid would hold aproximatley [sic] 1/8 oz. No one weighed it really, it was all done by eye . . .


And "Tiki Punch" from the Urban Dictionary offers the following --
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Contrary to popular belief a Lid is not an ounce of weed. The coffee cans had a key like a sardine can and the Lid would be wound off the can. The Lid used to measure usually contained about 4 fingers of pot. People at that time didn't have a triple scale to weight pot. Maryjane sold me a Lid of Acapulco Gold and it's one finger short of a full bag.
The coffee can lid story seems to ring a bell with me . . . I know Ken hates it when we perpetuate ungrounded mythology from other websites here -- sorry Ken. I'll try to find some evidence to back up the coffee can theory.

At another site, someone writes that his(?) dad told him a lid was a sandwich bag with about 4 fingers of pot in it.

At another site, it is theorized that the reason lids existed was to avoid the jail sentence for possessing an ounce or more of marijuana. Possession of less than an ounce was only a misdemeanor and one was not likely to face serious consequences.


 
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Post Re: Why a "lid"
Posted on: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:09 am

John [a.k.a. Trolley]], You’re certainly a good listener with great self-restraint. And your information looks good.

Shelley, The WikiAnswers looks pretty good if one takes 3/4 of an ounce to be ‘approximately’ an ounce – but, really, what’s a 1/4 ounce among friends! As far as the Urban Dictionary goes, I’d say that explanation appears to be bullshit ( see below):

CASSELL’S DICTIONARY OF SLANG by Jonathon Green

LID noun [1960s and still in use] (drugs): A quantity of marijuana, about 22g (3/4 OZ) or 40 cigarettes’ worth and often considered the equivalent of 1 oz (28g). [the quantity of the drug that fills the lid of a tin of Prince Albert, a popular brand of tobacco]

o.z. noun (also oh-zee, OZ) [1930s and still in use] (drugs): 1 oz (28g) of a drug. [1 oz; pronunciation of the abbreviation of Standard English ounce)

KEY noun (also KEE, KEYE, KI) [1960s and still in use]: A kilo of marijuana, hashish or any other drug [Standard English kilo-, a thousand]

CAN noun (drugs) [1950s and still in use]: Approximately 1 oz (28 g) of marijuana. [a (notational) can into which the drug is measured out]

MATCHBOX noun (also MATCH) [1940s and still in use] ([i]U.S. drugs): 1) $10 worth of marijuana, originally an actual matchbox full, by 1999s more like a thimble full. 2) Approximately a ½ oz (14 g) of marijuana.
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I was also surprised at how many dictionaries said that a LID is an ounce of marijuana (e.g. American Heritage Dictionary, Random House Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary, Merriam-Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary, Merriam-Webster Online, and even the OED). And there are early examples of that (see first 1968 and 1971 quotes below). But should they have been saying approximately an ounce? Well, at first I thought that the language descriptivists must be right – if enough people say something that’s wrong long enough, it becomes right. Or was it that maybe the stuffy guys working for these august dictionaries spent too much time in the stacks and never actually went out and bought some weed? But, I do trust the savvy Jonathon Green on this one, with his view being confirmed by the 1980 quote below which says that the meaning of LID depends on time and place.
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THE NEW PARTRIDGE DICTIONARY OF SLANG, for whom I have considerable general disdain, here seemed to demonstrate their skill at hedging their bets:

LID noun [U.S., 1966]: An approximate measure (variously twenty-two grams, or one or two ounces of loose, uncleaned marijuana [[Hm! What’s with the ‘uncleaned.’ First I’ve heard of that. So you buy a ‘lid’ and clean it yourself, or smoke it dirty!’]]. Derived from the lid of a tobacco tin, a convenient measure of sufficient marijuana to roll about 40 cigarettes. [[Hopefully, after cleansing]]
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The following quotes are from the Oxford English Dictionary, Historical Dictionary of American Slang, and The New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English:

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<1964-66 “I’m just looking to score a lid.”—Hall of Mirrors by R. Stone, page 161>

<1967 “The high price of ‘commercial’ marijuana ($10 to $15 for a ‘lid’ from which some 40 cigarettes can be rolled).”— Time Magazine, 8 September, page 18>

<1968 “The kilos of marihuana are broken down at the street-pushing stage into ounces called ‘lids’ which are sold for $10-$15.”—The College Drug Scene by J. Carey, page 35> [[ounces on the button or whole and mixed number multiples of ounces?]]

<1968 “We had almost two lids of Acapulco Gold.”—Pale Gray for Guilt (1969, U.K.) by J. D. MacDonald, xii. page 152>

<1968 “The fact that I make more money than the cat who sells one lid of grass a week – now, that’s his choice and this is my choice.”—Voices from the Love Generation by Leonard Wolfe (editor), page 187>

<1969 “We've got this guy from Sand City we just caught with a lid.”—Rolling Stone, 17 May, page 6/3>

<1969 “The undercover man said, ‘Do you have any lids?’ referring to marijuana.”—Cop: A Closeup of Violence and Tragedy by Whittemore, III. page 289>

<1969 “See, it costs about fifty cents a joint, a stick, and you can get a matchbox for $3.50; $7.50 for a can, $10 for a bag, people refer to it as a lid; a can for $15, and then you go into your half a pound.”—Watts; the Aftermath: An Inside View of the Ghetto by P. Bullock, page 158> [[I don’t know why, but I think I prefer the can for $7.50 over the one for $15]]

<1965-70 “A lid of dynamite grass I was about to deal.”—in Paris Review, J. Carroll, No. 50, page 103>

<1970 “He would be selling grass, meth, acid, lid, match boxes, . . . or mescaline.”—The Pushbutton Butterfly (1971, U.K.) by K. Platt, iv. page 43>

<1971 “Lid, one ounce of marijuana, a quantity by which it is sold.”—Underground Dictionary by E. G. Landy, page 120> [[an ounce ± ? and is it washed?]]

<1977 “He sold mediocre grass for ten dollars a lid, coke for $50 a gram . . . and a hit of windowpane acid for two bucks.”—Union Dues by Sayles, page 287> [[windowpane, pane, window glass from the 1970s and still in use is a variety of LSD – a small square of gellatine impregnated with LSD]]

<1980 “A ‘lid is a measurement of marijuana, either an ounce, or slightly less, depending on the year and the city.”—High Culture: Marijuana in the Lives of Americans by W.Novak, xxiii>

<1981 “Probably Tuna Can Tommy smoked a couple of lids a week.”—Glitter Dome by J. Wambaugh, page 147>

<1986 “He . . . hangs out in the student union buying and selling lids and tabs.”—Zombie Jamboree by R. Merkin, page 130> [[In the 1950s ‘tabs’ were tablets, especially ones containing a hallucinogenic drug. In the 1980s it was a dose of LSD in non-tablet form]]

<1986 “The kidnappings were nothing fancy: a young surfer at the Pompano Pier, lured into a waiting Cadillac with a lid of fresh Colombian red . . .”—Tourist Season by C. Hiaasen, page 178>

<1997 “The $10 lid was fading into the '60s, to be replaced by Bud and Thai stick.”—Retrohell: Life in the '70s and '80S, from Afros to Zotz by Editors of Ben is Dead Magazine, page 60>

My name is Ken Greenwald and I approve / approve of this posting (all I know about the above subject matter is what I've read in the papers).
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Post Re: Why a "lid"
Posted on: Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:25 am

Ken Greenwald wrote:
. . . (all I know about the above subject matter is what I've read in the papers).
The funny papers, you mean! Once again, Ken, your research is just, well, far out, man. With regard to your seeming unfamiliarity with the difference between a cleaned ounce and an uncleaned one, allow me to provide the following: (no, it has nothing to do with tref and kosher) ;^)
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No stems, no seeds that you don’t need
Acapulco Gold is . . . Bad Ass Weed.
-- The Firesign Theatre

Ken, the cleaning process was an enjoyable, necessary ritual associated with smoking marijuana. It involved the following tools: a cafeteria tray (ideal) or record album cover (less ideal, but more aesthetically pleasing); a book of cigarette rolling papers, a matchbook or a student ID card; a film canister or other small container for the final, cleaned product.
Cleaning was necessary, because the dried stems and seeds produced headaches when smoked. More importantly, the seeds had a tendency to explode when heated up, sending sparks all over the place and igniting your best Indian print bedspread/wall-hanging.
I’d rather not get into the particulars of the process. Suffice it to say that, by applying the simple law of gravity, it effectively separated the wheat from the chaff. Also, like freshly grinding your own coffee beans, it was better to clean only the amount you expected to use at the moment.

Of course, I know this only by having, in the distant past, observed acquaintances perform this ritual (at parties into which I'd been smuggled after having been kidnapped) -- uh, perform this ritual upon a substance I never purchased, nor inhaled (although, according to our new President, that's sort of the point, isn't it?) except when the smoke got so thick that, well, I mean -- I couldn't just stop breathing, could I?

Are you sure you didn't already know this?


 
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