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Posted on: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:40 pm

After participating in this website, I am more attune to expressions which now sound like colloquialism. What is the background of kidding?

The on-line dictionary says to bring on youth. We use it as teasing.

I didn't find that this had been discussed before.

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Posted on: Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:19 pm

kidding is vulgar for persiflage, raillery, banter

As for background you might try Googling as follows:

words origins kidding


 
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Posted on: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:17 pm

Harry, As far as the origin goes the Oxford English Dictionary says perhaps from KID meaning the young of a goat in the sense ‘make a kid of’ or form the verb COD, ‘to fool.’ The first example they provide is from 1811. The OED lists this as slang or dialect, but some dictionaries (e.g. Merriam-Webster) list it as Standard English.

KID 1) transitive verb: a) To hoax, humbug, try to make (one) believe what is not true; deceive, fool. b) To make fun of usually good-humoredly and often by innocent deception; joke with, tease. 2) intransitive verb: 2) To make fun of someone or something. a) joke b) to indulge in good-humored fooling or horseplay often used with around.
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<1811 KID, to coax or wheedle . . . To amuse a man or divert his attention while another robs him.”— ‘Lexicon Balatronicum: A Dictionary of Buckish Slang’ by Francis Grose>

<1812 “under KID-rig: To kid a person out of any~thing, is to obtain it from him by means of a false pretence.”—‘The Flash Dictionary’ by J. H. Vaux>

<1839 “KIDDING on, to entice one on.”—in W.A. Miles ‘Poverty, Mendicity & Crime,’ H. Brandon, page 163/2>

<1851 “He KIDS them on by promising three times more than the things are worth.”—‘London Labour’ by Mayhew, I. page 473>
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<1888 “The champion KIDDER.”—‘The Sporting Life,’ 15 December, page 3/2>

<1891 “[He] was a beautiful KIDDER and could patter sweet and pretty.”—Scamping Tricks’ by J. Newman, xi. page 88>

<1895 “The prisoner had told him that since he had been in Holloway he had ‘KIDDED’ the doctor into the belief that he was insane, and that he intended to ‘KID’ the judge.”—‘Daily News,’ 27 November, page 2/5>

<1906 “I'll stand for all the private KIDDING you can hand out.”—‘Shorty McCabe’ by S. Ford, xii. page 273>

<1922 “‘Mr Winklethorpe told me I was very good with the wooden clubs,’ she said defiantly. ‘He's a great KIDDER,’ said Ramsden.”—‘The Clicking of Cuthbert’ by Wodehouse, ix. page 223>

<1928 “Really? No KIDDING?”—‘ Lord Peter Views the Body’ by D. L. Sayers, page 287>

<1932 “‘You wouldn't fool us, Gov'nor, would you?’ KIDDED Johnny. Studs thought it wasn't every guy who could Kid with his old man, like Johnny could.”—‘ Young Lonigan’ by J .T. Farrell, iv. page 154>

<1952 “‘I'm a policeman.’ ‘No KIDDING!’”— ‘The Singing Sands’ by J. Tey, xii. page 205>

<1969 “We asked some reclining youths where the Festival was, and they pointed across a vast valley to some tiny lights . . . ‘You're KIDDING!’ . . . We sank to the grass.”—‘New Yorker,’ 30 January, page 18/3>

<1974 Titbits 30 May 22/4, “I have always known I was impotent but KIDDED myself that if I could find the right wife everything would miraculously become O.K.”—‘Tidbits,’ 30 May, page 22/4>
Ken – January 28, 2007


 
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Posted on: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:37 pm

dalehileman wrote:
kidding is vulgar for persiflage, raillery, banter

As for background you might try Googling as follows:

words origins kidding


This happens about once a week, Dale writes google for [something] and I do, in this case, I get:

Your search - "words origins kidding" - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:

* Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
* Try different keywords.
* Try more general keywords.

Dale must enter Google by a different route than I do.


 
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Posted on: Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:41 pm

Please spare us a discussion of how Dale enters Google.

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Posted on: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:24 pm

Your search - "words origins kidding" - did not match any documents.

Funny. I get 921K ghits. I don't use quotation marks around the three words of the query, though.


 
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Posted on: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:52 pm

Jane, The quotes around "word origins kidding" is the problem. The quotes cause Google to search for that exact string of words in that exact order, and it finds none. However, if you remove the quotes, you will get hundreds of thousands of results. Also, you can put quotes around "word origins" and no quotes around 'kidding' and it will give you a much smaller result because it is requiring "word origins" to appear together in that order with "kidding" separately anywhere.
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Posted on: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:01 pm

I suppose that in my above posting I should have mentioned NO KIDDING while I was at it, which I now do.

NO KIDDING (idiom) 1) Used to express disbelief; truly, seriously; no joke; I am not kidding, this is the truth. 2) Used to express scornful acknowledgment of the obvious.

The OED's first in print is from 1914 (see below), but I found many from a few years earlier and included a few of them below:
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<1906 “On the way to the ring Bugg had whispered ‘Diamond Flush!’ He said that, NO KIDDING . . . “—‘Washington Post,’ 19 August, page 33>

<1906 (advertisement) “When We Say We’re on the go for New Year’s Day . . . NO KIDDING . . . Haffner’s Star Bakery”—‘Fort Wayne Journal Gazette’ (Indiana), 30 December, page 10>

<1907 “‘Last call and NO KIDDING, Sam.’ said the poolroom man.”—‘Anaconda Standard’ (Montana), 1 April, page 2>

<1908 “But say, NO KIDDING, guess Galveston County didn’t name some great diamond material for office.”—‘Galveston Daily News’ (Texas), 30 August, page 8>

<1910 “. . . each has impressed his competitors for place that he is in deadly earnest and NO KIDDING.”—‘Atlanta Constitution’ (Georgia), 27 February, page 4>

<1912 “NO KIDDING, Girls Here’s A Live One: If any of you would like to marry, and would like a young man —a fruit rancher—for a husband, just address a letter to ‘Affectionate Young Man,’ Lodi Sentinel, and you will receive an answer from a young man who wants a wife. Must be aged between 19 and 90. Love and affections main object. NO KIDDING.”— ‘Modesto News’ (California), 19 July, page 6>

<1914 “There's a dead monkey-fish hard by the boat club . . . NO KIDDING!”—‘Letters’ (1969), E. E. Cummings, 27 July, page 9>
Ken G – January 28, 2007


 
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Posted on: Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:13 am

Ken, Dale et. al. I get it. I was pasting into Googles exact phrase. Thanks.


 
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