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Post by navi » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:57 am

Can one use:
1) It is incredible that he can play the piano so well that tired.
instead of:
2) It is incredible that he can play the piano so well when he is that tired.

I heard something like '1' somewhere, but it really doesn't sound correct to me!

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Re: ellipsis

Post by Phil White » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:24 am

Although your precise example does sound strange, elliptical constructions such as these are commonplace in casual spoken English.

The problem with your example is the juxtaposition of "that well" and "that tired". It makes the ellipsis sound odd.

"It is amazing that he can drive that tired," on the other hand, is exactly the sort of ellipsis you would hear.

As I say, it is very much a casual, spoken thing. Some sound odd, some less so.

"You shouldn't go into work that ill."
"I am surprised he made it home that drunk."

Neither of those sound particularly odd to me, but if you start adding other material, they become strange:

"You shouldn't go into work this week that ill."
"I am surprised he made it home so early that drunk."

I think people would tend to avoid anything more complex when using an ellipsis like the ones above.
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Re: ellipsis

Post by tony h » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:33 pm

In speech they tend to happen, I think, because I just don't think far enough ahead to remember to include all the bits I meant to include.
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