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is come to a peak

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:23 pm
by JerrySmile
Is this possible?

The feeling of excitement over what would happen then is come to a peak.
with an old-fashioned touch over the straight:
The feeling of excitement over what would happen then is at a peak.

I'm aware that "is come" is 19C and earlier, and that most would use today "has come," but in present day language the usage is different:

"is come" shows state
"has come" shows recent evolution

What I want to express is that "presently it is at a peak level" and I wonder if "is come," with all its old-fashioned connotations, could be used for that.

Thanks.

Re: is come to a peak

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:46 pm
by Edwin F Ashworth
Emotions are running high / at fever pitch sounds more natural to me - context will indicate which emotions.

Both The feeling of excitement over what would happen then is come to a peak.
and
The feeling of excitement over what would happen then is at a peak.
seem to mix tenses confusingly.

Re: is come to a peak

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:33 am
by Erik_Kowal
The following are also possible:

The feeling of excitement over what would happen then has reached a peak.

The feeling of excitement over what would happen then is peaking.

Re: is come to a peak

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:06 am
by Edwin F Ashworth
I'd prefer

The feeling of excitement over what would happen then had reached a peak.

or

The feeling of excitement over what will happen next has reached a peak.

(Though I could perhaps imagine a contrived scenario where the original tenses etc might work.)

Re: is come to a peak

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:12 am
by Erik_Kowal
I agree, Edwin. Your version #2 greatly improves on all the others.

Re: is come to a peak

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:10 am
by Phil White
Unlike Edwin, I'm not bothered by the mixture of tenses.

Like Edwin and Erik, I am bothered by the unusual collocation "come to a peak". It simply sounds odd, and their suggestions are all improvements.

The collocation with "come to" that most readily springs to mind is "come to a head".

If we take that collocation, I can see no semantic difference between
  • Things have come to a head.
  • Things are come to a head.
As you point out, however, "are/is come to" is now rare and possibly archaic.
"is come" shows state
"has come" shows recent evolution
I don't believe that your distinction holds, primarily because of the fundamentally perfective meaning of the present perfect. The whole notion of the present perfect relates to a present state. The notion of development would only be stressed by an appropriate adverbial phrase of time (e.g. "over the past weeks").

Re: is come to a peak

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:31 am
by russcable
Phil White wrote:Like Edwin and Erik, I am bothered by the unusual collocation "come to a peak".
It's not that unusual in reference to beating egg whites. :)

Re: is come to a peak

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:35 am
by Edwin F Ashworth
It is when I'm on meringue duty.