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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:54 pm
by JANE DOErell
I asked a retired truck driver and he said that six years ago when he got out of the grind in the US driving with too much blood alcohol was DUI, Driving Under the Influence. He said there were several situations which drivers referred to in slang as DOL, Driving Over the Limit. These included driving too many hours, but usually driving with too much weight or driving too fast.

He added that the rest stop regulations were so complicated that they were often violated deliberately or out of confusion.

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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:16 pm
by Edwin Ashworth
It's worse over here - we don't know whether the 45-minute, 28-day or 90-day rule defines the legal limit.

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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:30 pm
by minjeff
How about: Many lorry drivers on the roads are exceeding the legal limit of driving hours due to ignoring the mandatory breaks.

However, I do agree that a legal minimum of breaks makes the wording ever so clearer. ;)

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:32 pm
by please
Nothing worked so far. Many good contributions of high substance but the dilemma is still there. When "legal" is around, "limit" takes our minds to the upper limit and not to the lower limit. Neither do we have a powerful word to mean the opposite of exceeding (a limit). The language seems not responding if the concept is not well established in our minds. So the answer would be in making it up. We have a mandatory "rest period" and the words "legal limit". How can we formulate a phrase by using "rest period" and "legal limit" to mean that drivers are required not to rest less than the period imposed on them by law?

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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:17 pm
by minjeff
Should we invent words then? Replace "exceed" with "subcede" and modify "limit" to be "nether-limit" (or just replace it with minimum). Then the sentence would read: Many lorry drivers on the roads are subceding the legal nether-limit (minimum) of roadside breaks, giving them too many consecutive driving hours.

Using "subcede" shouldn't muddle the meaning too much, as a matter of fact while talking out loud asking for the opposite of "exceed" my roommate suggested "subcede". The "nether-" prefix merely clarifies which end of the limit spectrum to which you are referring.

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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:06 pm
by kagriffy
How about this: Many drivers are exceeding the legal limit for consecutive driving hours, because they are not taking the legally mandated rest periods. This seems to clarify the problem fairly well. The legal limit (maximum) which the drivers are "exceeding" is the number of consecutive hours driving, not the rest periods. By stating this as an excess beyond the "legal limit," you are then free to clarify how the drivers are exceeding this by referring to the mandated rest periods.

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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:21 am
by dalehileman
Kag: "Many drivers are exceeding the legal limit for consecutive driving hours, because..." could be interpreted to mean that the cause of their driving drunk for more than one hour at a time is their failure to observe the mandated rest periods, the implication being that they are not observing the opportunity to sleep it off

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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:01 am
by Erik_Kowal
Thank goodness we've finally sorted it all out.

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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 1:36 pm
by kagriffy
Dale, you seem to assume that "legal limit" can refer only to DUI/DWI. Although that may be the most common connotation, it is by no means the only "legal limit." For example, if a fisherman exceeds the legal limit by catching too many fish in one day, I don't believe anyone (besides you) would even CONSIDER that the fisherman was drunk!

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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:55 pm
by dalehileman
Kag: My implication is that because "legal limit" so often applies to DUI, a typical reader might make that assumption

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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:04 pm
by dalehileman
dalehileman wrote: Kag: My implication is that because "legal limit" so often applies to DUI, a typical reader might make that assumption
Again forgive my feeble attempt at humoor

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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:04 pm
by kagriffy
Dale, I'll agree that a driver exceeding the "legal limit" MIGHT imply a DUI situation, but only if the "legal limit" were unqualified. In my example, I said they had exceeded "the legal limit FOR CONSECUTIVE DRIVING HOURS . . . ." I really don't think a "typical" reader would assume that I meant a driver had been driving drunk for several hours. A "typical" reader would read the entire sentence in its context, and wouldn't jump to such ridiculous conclusions. You've got to have a little faith in the reader's intelligence.

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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:15 pm
by minjeff
Do we really believe that most readers are intelligent?

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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:29 am
by dalehileman
Kag: Alas, surely you must realize I jest, jest a bit

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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:00 am
by Erik_Kowal
You must now add subtlety to the list of your virtues, Dale. :-)