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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:10 pm

First off, I am neither an idiot, moron, Karl Rove, nor sycophant for any political party. I would elevate the dialogue to say I disagree with most leftist views based upon research and first hand experience of watching them fail, but simply because I do not concur with that viewpoint I would not revert to sophomoric name calling nor bigoted stereotyping. To say that one political party is always superior to another is mere braggadocio.

You seem to have a fear, or a disdain for the bourgeois, applying the stereotype that because one works for a living they are uneducated inebriates. I find it honorable that one earns their keep rather than sponging off the industriousness of others and the spoiled aristocracy. You can find many in academia that hold conservative viewpoints, and the legacy Bush family is just one example that not all conservatives are working-class.

Also simply because one takes a different viewpoint than yourself does not mean they are unintelligent or beneath you. It simply means they disagree. To answer to the flag waving, if you refer to pride in my country of origin, then I am guilty as charged. With some study you will find this country has many worthwhile and noble accomplishments that neither political party can claim. That is not flag waving, that is fact. If I were to say America is great because of X political party then that would be flag waving for a political party which I will not do. We are not perfect to be sure, but there is no country that is. I know this from living abroad, and I am glad to have returned home.

I will discuss politics no more in this room, if the rest agree to do the same. I yield to the arguement by the anonymous gentleman or lady below that this clubhouse is not the proper forum for political discussion. That should be saved for the political forums out on the internet, and apologize for having even mentioned them here.

Karl (Not Rove)

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I know the phrase "flat out like a lizzard drinking" comes from Australia and it means to move very fast, but how does a lizzard's drinking habbits translate to running very fast? Do lizzards drink really fast in Australia?

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:25 pm

The writers of the constitution who all you "conservatives" profess adoration for didn't trust the masses at all, and true to their aristocratic class were really only interested in transferring command of the masses to themselves from English royalty. Hence the electoral college. Able propagandists like Jefferson ( all men are created equal) disguised the real intent of the constitution,which was to enshrine property , hence greed.

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:39 pm

No that was not the intent at all. If you have ever read what happened to the men who wrote the Constitution, the majority of them lost their entire fortunes and their entire families. Jefferson was bankrupt when he died. Maybe if you took the time to read and research it for yourself rather than spouting out socialist propaganda you would have a much happier outlook on life, and a more accurate sense of history.

If you don't like capitalism or freedom, then perhaps you need to live in places where socialism is such a glorious success such as Cuba, or the old Soviet Union, or Vietnam, or North Korea, or China, or California.

The freedom of citizens to own property is the base of allowing them to prosper. Russia has now re-written some of their property laws to ensure that citizens can actually own their property, and their economy is now turning around. Greed is when you desire wealth at all costs. Achieving wealth by honest means is not greed. If you are able to work, but not willing to work, and will rob from the labor of another whether it be through a welfare check or through Enron type scandals, that is greed.

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 2:53 pm

Democracy, or mob rule, is a horrible form of government and it can only be followed by a dicatorship after it's collapse. That is why the founders of this country went with a Republic instead. To be more specific we are a democratic-republic. Rather than decisions being made on a whim they must be held up to the rule of law, which our current politicians liberal and conservative alike have abused, bent, and broken those laws.

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:08 pm

censorship

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:22 pm

We therefore have a klepto-oclochracy -- government by the worst thieves.

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:37 pm

I notice how you incorrectly invoke Jefferson as an able bodied propagandist. Almost all of the original founders lost their fortunes or their lives. Jefferson himself died without a penny to his name, and in fact owed great debts. They sold his books, over 18,000 at the time, to found the Library of Congress. Propagandists are people like Marx and Lenin.

Private ownership of property is part of the equation to drive a free market economy. Russia's economy is beginning to rebound since they changed laws so that the private citizenry can own land.

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:51 pm

To use the cliche phrase a government of the people, for the people, by the people, you are indeed correct of a government by the worst thieves.

This nation is full of people who feel they are entitled to stuff they have not worked for, earned, nor therefore do they deserve it. People who feel the government owes them an education, health care, and a living are some of the thieves of which you speak. The other greater thieves are the career politicians who can't make it in the private sector, so they rob those who do succeed in the private sector to buy the votes of those who are too lazy to work.

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:05 pm

M. R. Ducks
M. R. Not Ducks
O.S.A.R
C.D.E.D.B.D.wings
Y.I.B.
M.R.Ducks

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:20 pm

fuck a duck mr duck

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:34 pm

Camels, Cows, sheep, and now ducks...Is beastiality the topic of discussion here?

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:03 pm

The corporation controlled government has become adept at devising new mottos to answer every objection. Shrub has hordes of dupes that would cause the Nazi propaganda minister to turn green with envy. Joe Sixpack continues to shop at China East (Walmart).

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:17 pm

"tradition" is a word used to justify a bad habit.

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:32 pm

Keep political commentary to the political chat rooms dorks.

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Archived Reply · Post by **Archived Reply** » Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:46 pm

What a loser. How much of a moron does a guy have to be to be a communistsocialist?

Look at how many are starving to death in North Korea. The little dope can spend all his money on Nuclear Weapons while the people starve to death.

How bout Castro in that great paradise known as Cuba? We can see the people aren't Joe Sixpacks there are they. They just drink down the Dom like it's going out of style.

Communism and Socialism have only been responsible for the deaths of over 100 millioin people that seems worthy of another chance doesn't it?

The government is controlled by corporations. OK conspiracy theorist it is time to leave your parents' basement and go into the real world and read something besides "PRAVDA" and Karl Marx. Name 1 prosperous communist or socialist country. The answer is zero, because there are none, nor have there ever been. It has never worked and it never will.

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