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Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:29 am
by dante
When I watched this O'Reilly's video http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html I couldn't shake an impression of a crabby old rancher bothered by hemorrhoids the size of a monkey's head, who has just lost a cow and can't help himself but take out his spite on the whole wicked world.He also can't help but set moral principles for all other people,what's proper and what not and specially what is patriotic and what is not.
Bill and that sort of self proclaimed moral exemplars make hundred percent of those people you find in papers on pictures where they are held by the collar by prostitutes wearing Nazi uniforms flogging shit out of them.

I liked Mr.Obama's speech on building a mosque near the site of 9/11 attack,finally something that felt good to hear.

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:11 pm
by Erik_Kowal
In the United States politics has always been a dirty business, and it gets uglier and more brutal by the day. Of course, politics is an inherently combative and confrontational activity, but in my opinion the Republican movement has now achieved a level of unpleasantness in its outlook and operations that has not been seen since it attempted to strangle the civil rights movement in the 1960s or whipped up the anti-communist hysteria embodied in the Unamerican Activities Committee in the 1950s.

The current propaganda strategy of the Republicans is multi-pronged, and appears to include the following (this list is by no means exhaustive):

1) Populating key media positions with individuals whose rabid, wilfully ignorant attitudes and antics are considered entertaining by the public, whom they are then able to influence
2) Setting up and/or supporting numerous think tanks, policy research groups, websites, bloggers and commentators whose chief purpose is to feed disinformation and skewed analyses that support the Republicans' agenda into public debate
3) Trying to stuff the Supreme Court with their placemen every time a vacancy arises, and/or opposing the appointment to the court of anyone with a less unbalanced outlook
4) Opposing any initiative proposed or promoted by Democrats
5) Allowing their congressmen to be bought wholesale by the oil, coal, weapons, agricultural, automotive and pharmaceutical industries, among others, so that the interests of these groups are promoted above those of the population as a whole (a criticism that can also be levelled at the Democrats)
6) Co-opting religious organizations as both ideological and political supporters
7) Opposing any initiative to reform the financing of political campaigning that has the aim of cutting off the river of cash that currently flows to US congressmen from industry and lobby groups
8) Repeatedly attempting to eliminate all public funding of impartial public broadcasting organizations such as NPR (National Public Radio) and PBS (Public Broadcasting Service, which is a TV network)
9) Defining the terms of debate in such a way that even the Republicans' opponents are forced to use terminology that implicitly coheres with Republican positions (e.g. 'partial-birth abortion', 'family values', 'patriotic American', 'anchor baby', 'supporting the troops'), or whose associations have been subverted to appear to endorse a Republican point of view ('patriot', 'liberty', 'liberal', 'freedom').

The attempts to defund public broadcasting started several decades ago. The groundwork for the proliferation of extremist broadcasting was laid during the Reagan era, when the rule that mandated equal coverage of opposing viewpoints was abolished.

In theory America is a representative democracy, but in practice it has turned out to be something very different. Which is a polite way of saying that the politics of the USA are completely whack-a-doodle: 'dysfunctional' doesn't even begin to describe it.

The question is, who will fix the fixers? Is it even possible?

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 7:43 pm
by dante
Really interesting reading to me Erik,thank you.

As someone who has never even visited U.S my impressions about everyday politics there are indirect of course,but I certainly try to pick the sources I find unbiased.What you wrote matches my idea of what the politics there looks like.
As I said before on the forum,only two political parties on more than three hundred millions people doesn't seem reasonable to me.People simply differ in their views and that should be reflected in different political organizations.I truly believe that great majority of Americans by voting Obama showed they were sick of insane wars their country got engaged in worldwide,and bullying,oppressive politics conducted for the last almost two decades
I think that true public opinion and Americans' desire to change things in the country's politics haven't resulted in adequate changes in the real politics.Hillary Clinton can be anything but not a change for better.I'm willing to think that Obama's words reflect his true beliefs,but he surely has a strong opposition to his views in his own party.Reading those opinions on building a mosque near the site of 9/11 terrorist attack,I'd say that America seems to be at risk of letting intolerance prevail,further pitting American people against the whole Islamic world,not against the terrorist part of it.
Anyway,it was nice to hear an American president talk like that.

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:19 am
by Wizard of Oz
.. well dante if you want choice then you definitely need to come Downunder .. we are having a Federal Election this weekend .. it is for the House of Representatives and what is called a half Senate election .. ie half the seats in the Senate are up for grabs ..

.. for me that means more choice than I can reasonably know what to do with .. in my Federal seat of Newcastle I will be required to place in order 7 candidates .. they are from the Australian Labor Party, Liberal Party, The Greens, Christian Democrats, Socialist Alliance, Socialist Equality Party and the Australian Democrats .. I find it amazing, and it says something about politics, that the socialists think they are strong enough to run two candidates .. and then I have the half Senate vote .. here we are given a ballot paper the size of a small tablecloth and need to place in order the 83 candidates, numbered from 1 to 83, if you make a mistake in your numbering, eg using the same number twice, then your vote is invalid .. and dante if you want choice in your parties then check these out ..

Australian Labor Party
Liberal Party
Liberal National Party
Nationals
Country Liberal Party
The Greens
Family First
Christian Democratic Party
Democrats
Liberal Democratic Party
One Nation
Secular Party of Australia
Citizens Electoral Council
Socialist Alliance
Socialist Equality Party
Democratic Labor Party
The Climate Sceptics
Australian Sex Party
Australia First Party
Carers Alliance
Building Australia Party
Non-Custodial Parents Party
Communist Alliance
Shooters and Fishers Party
Senator On-Line
Australian Fishing and Lifestyle Party
Independents

.. yes there are shortcuts provided by the vote-above-the-line option versus the vote-below-the-line option .. if you wish to vote for one of the few ”major” parties then you can simply put a number 1 in their box above the line and they allocate all your preferences for you .. and remember that in Aus preferences are important because we don’t have a simple First-Past-the-Post system .. if a candidate doesn’t get an absolute majority on the first count then there is the dreaded allocation of preferences .. this means that after the first count the candidate with the lowest number of votes drops off and their 2nd choice is distributed to the other candidates .. then the bottom candidate drops off again and their 2nd choices are distributed .. this continues until one candidate has an absolute majority .. and yes that does mean that a candidate who came say 3rd or 4th in the primary vote can finish up winning the seat because of the distribution of preferences ..

.. anyway I had better get moving down to the polling booth because not only do I have to vote but I have to place an Absentee vote because I am in Sydney and not in my electorate .. decisions decisions decisions ..

.. if you feel inclined you can check out the parties at this site .. and keep in mind that we only have about 11 000 000 voters ..

WoZ thinking the Sex Party looks good

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:10 am
by Erik_Kowal
Wizard of Oz wrote:WoZ thinking the Sex Party looks good
Because they sent you a personal invitation? ;-)

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:56 am
by Wizard of Oz
.. Erik if you check out the pics of the candidates I think you would have a few questions about being invited to do anything with them ..

WoZ changing his mind to the Climate Skeptics Party

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:39 am
by Erik_Kowal
Well, I'm not sure that a line-up of mugshots of the contributors to Wordwizard would be any more appealing...

I read the proposed policies of the Sex Party, and most of them seem quite sensible. I think you should stay with it.

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:09 am
by christinecornwall
I must be one of those ignant publicans but I find the building of any demonitational religious center at ground zero to be wrong. People of ALL religions were killed.
As far as supreme court appointments, it has always been the case that the party in power pick the candidate that reflects the beliefs and aspirations of said party. I am humoured by the hemmoriodial cow-lacking reference but simply don't see how it applies.

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:29 am
by Erik_Kowal
christinecornwall wrote:I find the building of any demonitational religious center at ground zero to be wrong.
Yes, few believers favour religious centres being devoted to devil-worship -- even the ones who live along the eastern seaboard (such as your good self), or who are infected with Salemonella.
dante wrote:I couldn't shake an impression of a crabby old rancher bothered by hemorrhoids the size of a monkey's head, who has just lost a cow and can't help himself but take out his spite on the whole wicked world.
Christine: Dante has unfortunately neglected to specify the type of monkey he had in mind. The characteristics of the precise species he was thinking of could make a fair difference to the degree of Mr O'Reilly's discomfort -- for instance, haemorrhoids the size of a bonobo's head could be expected to be rather more troublesome than haemorrhoids the size of the head of a marmoset.

But regardless of the non-specificity of Dante's supposition, after a moment's reflection to imagine ourselves in this situation we can presumably still agree that the owner of haemorrhoids the size of even a small monkey's head would likely regard them as something of nuisance (one of the very few things we can actually agree on, I imagine).

If one were to compound Mr O'Reilly's distress by abruptly depriving him of one of his prize milkers (a four-year-old Jersey, say), I think we could safely conclude that he would consider his day was not going well; hence Dante's somewhat alarming but very apt comparison.

I can only hope that Mr O'Reilly is not an obsessive consulter of the latest postings on this site, otherwise his day would really be sucking by now.

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:48 pm
by dante
I don't know Erik,it was rather an approximation of the size I gave in the form of a figure of speech.But,when I see Bill froth nothing less than hemorrhoids the size of a gorilla's head comes to mind.Fortunately,I don't have more substantial insight into the size of course (looking that face was unbearable enough) so take that as an estimated size.
"..we can presumably still agree that the owner of haemorrhoids the size of even a small monkey's head would likely regard them as something of nuisance .."
I firmly believe we can regard so big hemorrhoids a nuisance and also a probable factor that makes Bill so rabid a person.
..hence Dante's somewhat alarming but very apt comparison.
Apt for sure :)
I can only hope that Mr O'Reilly is not an obsessive consulter of the latest postings on this site, otherwise his day would really be sucking by now.
I'm sure that his face while reading this could also very aptly be compared to monkey's butt:) http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__V1GJlBadyE/S ... y+Butt.jpg

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:45 am
by christinecornwall
I find the building of any demonitational religious center at ground zero to be wrong.
Yes, few believers favour religious centres being devoted to devil-worship -- even the ones who live along the eastern seaboard (such as your good self), or who are infected with Salemonella.
Perhaps I should lay off the posting after the first glass of wine....

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:46 am
by christinecornwall
Better yet....even before it.

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:13 am
by dante
And I'd better get serious,monkeys could sue me for this.

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:59 pm
by Erik_Kowal
dante wrote:... when I see Bill froth nothing less than hemorrhoids the size of a gorilla's head comes to mind.
So... Bill O'Goreilly?

Re: Mean grandpa has lost his cow

Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:12 pm
by dante
For all I know about gorillas (which is not a lot),I don't think there's a ground to compare them with a spiteful human specimen of Bill's type. Here's about gorilla's characteristics http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/apes/gorilla/. A few quotes from the article:
Gorillas are very intelligent and can learn extremely complex tasks.
Gorillas are not aggressive animals. When an intruder disturbs them, they may make a lot of noise, but they rarely confront another animal.
Gorillas are generally quiet animals.
So,no. Bill and gorillas do not have much in common apparently,and since O'Goreilly suggests they have,it would be out of place definitely.