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Post by dalehileman » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:38 pm

In view of the upcoming primaries I felt compelled to bubble up this Letter to the Editor

Note to Admin: Yes, perhaps it's excessively political but thought our participants might find it amusing anyhow for what I claim is its colorful phrasing but if you feel it doesn't belong in this forum feel free to move it; although what with the Booth looming paramount if there's any conceivable way to flag in on Home Page I would be mightily indebted

If it doesn't meet Strict Protocol of course feel free to delete it but appreciate if you could wait for a while because as I point out, in an excessively uptight and Politically Correct ambiance there's a crucial need these days for a chuckle now and again


[Hi Times Ed.: Owing to its relevance I hope you can use the following, as the Op-Ed pages do tend toward the excessively grim. But if you can’t I’m hoping at least you get a chuckle out of it–regards–Dale Hileman]


Dear Sirs:

In view of upcoming presidential primaries I offer the following in the hope that it might provoke a little more forethought than last time. And while I love my country, in this day and age of Extreme Political Correctness I would hope not to be excoriated by the Right-leaning reader as grossly unpatriotic:

Beliefs of WMD’s in Iraq persists, AP Aug 7, 2006: “Did Saddam Hussein’s government have weapons of mass destruction in 2003? Half of America apparently thinks so, a new poll finds”

In a country where half the population also believed that Saddam was responsible for 9/11 while half were sure that the White House knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance and didn't do anything...

...most still believe in psychic healing and extrasensory perception, half of us think there’s a Devil and Hell while half believe in astrology, still another half believe in space men and UFO’s and more than half believe in ghosts...

...half of us believe the First Amendment “goes too far,” and bulk of us believe cancer is a disease that strikes at random and cannot be prevented...

...we learn just recently that “...55% of 1,000 adults surveyed said children should be taught creationism and intelligent design....” (Time, Aug. 15, 2006)

So it’s not hard to understand how Bush was elected by a bare plurality.

And no, for those readers who did vote for him, it’s not the same half every time

Dale Hileman
Apple Valley
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Post by Tony Farg » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:41 am

All this talk of halves reminds me of economists, who all have three or more hands:
On the one hand we may be heading for recession,
But on the other hand we may only see a slow down,
yet on the other hand this could simply be a minor reset...
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Post by dalehileman » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:07 pm

Hi again Phil: Here I am again lonely relegated to the bottom of an archive wishing in my extreme conceit and vanity that this very timely thread might be switched to a forum listed on Home Page if only temporarily, say until the primaries are done with
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Can't wait for the new housekeeping to take place and thanking you once more with wishes for happy and prosperous New year or, in light of the current economic situation at least happy
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Post by gdwdwrkr » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:40 pm

Housekeeping can be done oneself. There's a little garbage can up there next to the date...
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Post by dalehileman » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:07 pm

Why gd, Phil and I thank you for your support
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Post by Wizard of Oz » Sat Feb 09, 2008 7:05 am

dale said:

"... wishing in my extreme conceit and vanity that this very timely thread might be switched to a forum listed on Home Page if only temporarily, say until the primaries are done with."
.. dale does this mean that schools are going to be closed ?? .. or does your extreme conceit and vanity really make you think that people all over the world give a tinkers curse what happens in the American three ring political circus ..

WoZ in Aus 09/02/08
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Post by Erik_Kowal » Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:10 am

In responding to WoZ's remarks I can't do much better than to reproduce most of this week's email newsletter from the broadcaster Robin Lustig, the regular presenter of BBC Radio 4's evening current affairs programme, The World Tonight:

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8th February 2008

Dear World Tonighter,

I get some lovely emails sometimes. Like this one, which arrived a couple of days ago while I was in Chicago.

"Why are you covering the US primaries in such detail?" it asked. "They are just not relevant to a UK audience. Why do we care? I have just had to turn off The World Tonight because I simply couldn't take any more of it. It was either that or die of boredom."

Well, excuse me. Not relevant? Why do we care? Maybe because it matters who runs the most powerful country in the world. Because we really need to understand who the next US president will be, and how he or she got to the White House. Because to understand the US, we need to understand what US voters think, about their country and the world.

Not relevant if for the first time in the country's history the US president is a woman? Or a black man? Does anyone really not care about the politics of the country that exerts greater military and economic influence than any other power on earth?

Sorry, but to me it seems obvious. [...]

So now I'm writing this on the plane back to London, after Super Tuesday primaries which told us quite a lot about American voters, and about the leading candidates, but which still didn't give us a definitive answer on who the Democratic party candidate will be in November.

Mind you, as I wrote in my blog last Monday (before the Super Tuesday primaries and before his rival Mitt Romney "suspended" his campaign), John McCain is now certain to be the Republican party candidate. He's a former Vietnam prisoner of war, tough on security, more moderate on social and economic issues. He voted against President Bush on tax cuts, and co-sponsored a proposal with arch-liberal Edward Kennedy on granting an amnesty to illegal immigrants. He is deeply distrusted by the conservative wing of his party, who call him a RINO (Republican In Name Only). Some even say they'd rather see Hillary Clinton in the White House than Senator McCain.

As for Mrs Clinton and Barack Obama, it's neck and neck. She does better among women, the less well-off and older and Hispanic voters; he does better among the young, the educated, the better-off, and black voters. He seems to have the greater momentum and more campaign cash; but she has a formidable campaign team and either of them could still emerge as the eventual nominee.

As for what will happen in November, I'm now prepared to stick my neck out: I think the Democrats will win. It's a little remarked upon fact that Senator McCain won most of his victories on Tuesday in states (six out of nine) where in the last three presidential elections, the Democrats have won. So they may have helped him win the nomination, but they probably won't help him win the White House.

If I'm right, that means the next US president will be either a woman, or black. I reckon that's pretty interesting. So is this: David Frum, a leading conservative commentator and former speech writer for George Bush, wrote in the Financial Times yesterday: "The conservative ascendancy in American politics is coming to an end. The stage has been set for the boldest and most dramatic redirection of US politics since (Ronald) Reagan's first year in office."

Relevant? I think so.
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Post by gdwdwrkr » Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:14 pm

The pendulum swings. God help us as it arcs to the socialist apogee.
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Post by Erik_Kowal » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:19 pm

Because, blimey, we've all been so much better off with Bush. Yeah, right.
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Post by gdwdwrkr » Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:25 pm

I once read in A Wordwizard Writes (though I can't locate it to quote it exactly), to paraphrase, "it is usually that which we see of ourselves in another which irritates us most about the other." I bring that up only because 'Bush' seems to irritate some to their very nuculi.

I did not mean to intimate that I think that our current President is not a part of the pendulum's swing to the socialist apogee.
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Post by Tony Farg » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:07 pm

Thanks Erik for saying what I've been thinking. Yes it's as boring as hell, but it's so important that you can't ignore it.
The guardian had a correspondent last week who wanted all the primary garbage put in a separate supplement so it would be easier to bin. They did so the next day, and he has written again to thank them. My reaction was to think that the guy was in a fool's paradise if he felt that the world could ignore who would be pulling the strings in a year's time. Mind you, I wish I understood how the process worked!
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Post by dalehileman » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:18 pm

Actually there's an argument that we in Leftpond are and have been for a long time, best described principally socialist. It was a high bigwig in that very party who declared about the time I was born that all of his objectives had been met here

Though I can't say whether or not that's desirable because like Stephen Colbert who can't see race, I can't see political leanings

Wiz: Of course for the most part they don't care except for of many directly affected by Neocon policies while their political observers though not caring might nonetheless express some reaction

This is all great fun and I want to thank Ken, Erik, Phil, etc for the relatively extreme liberalism that permits a thread such as this one, the likes of which have got me banned from several other such boards
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Post by Wizard of Oz » Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:13 am

.. Erik and Tony .. sorry guys all the go on about the most .. um how did you put it >>>"Does anyone really not care about the politics of the country that exerts greater military and economic influence than any other power on earth?" is just so much claptrap .. like all things American, the rest of the real world will be told once the yanks make up their mind .. we have absolutely NO influence over any of it so what does it really matter .. and as as afar as those who DO have some influence they seem to stay away in droves .. just what is the percentage of American citizens who choose to vote ?? .. it is an obscene 3 ring circus where more money is pissed up against the wall than many 3rd World countires have in their national budgets .. democratic ??? .. thems with the most money wins or at the least can even get to the starting line .. best person for the job ?? .. no simply the richest and one with the right "connections" .. and so to follow your line of thinking Erik we can expect the same minute coverage of the Chinese, Russian, Indian and Japanese elections ??? .. I think not .. so pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease just get it over or even better just get over it ... yaaaaaaaawn ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ......................... oh .. *wakes up* .. Dale the reason the thread was taken down elsewhere is because people don't want every bloody space taken up with it .. NOT because it was contoversial but simply because people want to preserve a space free of the same old same old .. how many more months do we have to tolerate all of it ??? ...

WoZ in Aus 10/02/08
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Post by Erik_Kowal » Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:12 am

So we should only care about the things we can directly affect? That is the clearest expression of a head-in-the-sand attitude that I have heard for a long time.

To answer one of your other points -- yes, if you follow NPR or the BBC, or just about any Western mainstream news media outlet that is not primarily geared to entertainment, you will find pretty reasonable coverage of elections when they take place in India, Russia, China and Japan, as well as a host of other countries.

If you haven't found this coverage in the past, is it because it did not exist or simply because you couldn't be bothered to follow those stories? If it's the latter, that's a personal choice you are free to make, but it just shows that you have rather different priorities concerning what you think is important compared with many other people.

Each to his own, I guess.
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